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Thursday, November 08, 2007

Business as usual in the W-Zone

by M. Stewart
The transparent deviance of the Surace administration is genuinely beyond belief, yet somehow we have come to see it as normal in the Wellsville Zone. Who, therefore, can be surprised by Wednesday’s release of the police department investigation report?

Citing all sorts of legal and confidentiality issues, Surace stonewalled the news media, village council, and voters by withholding the contents of the attorneys’ report until after the election. One day after, suddenly he has nothing to hide.

I’ll let you read the details in The Review and the Morning Journal. Suffice it to say that the report shows that Surace has presided over a dangerously dysfunctional police department so lacking in leadership that if something isn’t done, “consequences could be dire.”

It is, of course, the mayor who has allowed the situation to get as bad as it has. His vapid paralysis over the last four years has allowed the command structure of the PD to completely unravel. Yet Tuesday’s unofficial vote tally shows the mayor defeating challenger Dave Lloyd by seven votes.

How Surace managed to get any votes on Tuesday is astounding to me; how he managed to win the unofficial results is downright bizarre—so bizarre, in fact, that I don’t believe it.

Short of launching a tar and feather party at village hall, the decent people of Wellsville can hope that the final election results reveal something different than what was reported on election day. The stakes are high for all of us in the South County region.

At Wednesday’s council meeting, Surace was confronted by former village councilman and fiscal officer John McClelland about his bogus campaign advertisements alleging that Lloyd was responsible for past fire fund deficits. Instead of addressing the issue, Surace pounded the gavel to silence McClelland.

Let’s remember that McClelland was three-term councilman and chair of the village council finance committee. As the village fiscal officer, McClelland pushed for reforms that allowed the village to work itself out of fiscal emergency at an unprecedented pace, and he had to fight council the entire way to do it. Yet Joe Surace will not extend him the courtesy to address council beyond three minutes. Again, this is unbelievable behavior from an arrogant, thoughtless mayor.

According to The Review, Surace then had the balls to ask that “personal vendettas” be put in the past. What this guy doesn’t realize is that these attacks are not personal vendettas. They are public outcries against deceptive, dysfunctional government.

If the official election results stick, the honest people of Wellsville must keep fighting to reclaim their town. Otherwise, Wellsville will remain the joke of the Tri-State Area—a dire warning, a poignant example of how bad government can distort the reality of citizens.

61 Comments:

Anonymous Feeling sick to my stomach said...

I couldn't agree with you more Matt. John Mcclelland is a articulate and intelligent man who knows his shit and loves a good argument. The Mayor is just to stupid to respond to him..so all he can do is silence him.

8:56 AM  
Anonymous Get on the ball! said...

You know i keep hearing about a big plant coming to town and everything is gonna be great. Well before it can be great, lets clean up the crack houses and get drugs off the streets. If i'm a construction worker looking to move my family i'm definitely not gonna want to move into wellville with all the murders and drugs and bs going on ... how could i do my job worrying about my family? So dont think these workers are just gonna move in and everythings alright ... they are gonna look for a safe clean place for there families. So Suracers get on the ball and solve these murders and get these crack heads out of town!

9:09 AM  
Anonymous Just me said...

Matt, I have posted 2 very nice comments, regarding the unintelligent mayor we must endure again, and you've not posted one of them. I did not leave them anonymous, I followed your instructions on the "other" pick for name left and still no post. Whaz up dude? I am here everyday reading your blogs. I leave posts and enjoy reading the other's as well. And just a small comment to Feeling Sick, yes, you are exactly correct my friend. It's not that he didn't want to answer John, he's just not compitent enough. He better get that PD in line and quick. As for the serious conflict that the Law Firm senced between Joe and Eddie, I look for some of that to surface during the Civil Suit. This is not over by far

9:12 AM  
Blogger M. said...

Just me--
I don't recall rejecting any of your comments. Perhaps for some reason they're not getting through. Sorry about that.

Aside from anonymous comments, I reject only those that contain no value or interest for ORL readers.

9:19 AM  
Anonymous Wellsville Cheerleader said...

Get On the Ball couldn't have put it any better. Getting our streets clean and straightening everything up is what needs to be done. You people cannot blame WPD and the mayor for Wellsvlle's problems. I feel that Mayor Surace and committees such as the Revitalization Committee are doing their best to improve our village and make it a nicer place to live. Surace is trying his best to solve some of our problems. These things cannot be solved over night and by one person; these things take time, patience,and team work. I congratulate Surace and all the councilmen on their achievements this week.

9:25 AM  
Anonymous Aint that something said...

I dont think it makes a differance who the mayor is.The damage is already so bad I dont think it can be fixed.Better look at the problems at hand and drop worrying about personal vendettas.Who cares ?Thats your problem mayor ,not ours.Start fixing the problems in the ville and screw the personal vendettas.We dont care .If its personal,then keep it personal.Im coming to the next council meeting and telling everybody about personal vendettas against me.Im sure somebody gives a shit.Should I feel sorry for you ,will that make everything better?You may be the mayor,but this ville is the real loser.You got alot of issues that need to be addressed and taken care of.You better do something about the P.D. that seems to be the biggest problem at hand.Talking isnt going to get it done.Do what needs to be done!More lawsuits .Is that what you want?

9:30 AM  
Anonymous wellsville supporter said...

Go Wellsville cheerleader & get on the ball. I totally agree with the points you made. I also think it's a shame that instead of looking to improve the village, all that people want to do is gossip about the PD and political figures. People wonder why they get the reputations that they have, but it's the people who talk that keep this drama going. But things are looking up thanks to the beginning of improving our village. We all should have the Wellsville spirit and be cheerleaders for our town. I love the way you put it. It's what our village needs. I'd also like to congratulate the victories as well.

9:35 AM  
Blogger M. said...

I think you are right to say that a town is more than its politics, but while cheerleading has its place, it tends to obscure or deny serious problems by covering them over with happy talk.

I find it interesting that both of the cheerleading comments end with congratulations to politicians.

9:46 AM  
Anonymous Huh? said...

Just wondering, Matt, if you have all the answers, why don't YOU move to Wellsville and run for council or mayor?

10:48 AM  
Anonymous Concerned said...

Matt, I agree with you on the McClelland stuff. I notice on Nibs site, all the Surace cheerleaders, are tearing down the Council members, because Tony Cataldo said something stupid at last night's meeting. First of all, truth be told, the Lawyers said " We were hired by the Mayor and are working for HIM" They said it was up to the Mayor when the report got released not Council. They also said, if Council wanted to read the entire report, that they would have to ask the Mayor, it was up to him. Council's hand's were tied on when the report was to be made public, that's why Dinch did what she did at her house. Tony knows that's the truth, I don't know why he made that statement. So all you Surace cheerleaders out there blaming Council, grow up. Matt it is so funny how these people who don't know a damn thing, run their mouth and defend Surace, it's funny. That's the truth Matt, I am sure you already knew it, but I thought I would let you know anyway. SURACE NOT COUNCIL HAD THE POWER WHEN AND WHERE TO RELEASE THE REPORT, AND TONY YOU KNOW THAT.

11:27 AM  
Anonymous raised eyebrow said...

Matt, I couldn't agree with you more. Cheerleader says not to blame the WPD -- well, the report proves that there are serious problems within that department, and until they are corrected, the drug problems, etc., are going to continue in Wellsville. Is that my fault . . can I personally do anything about it? No, but the WPD can! So why NOT blame them?? We've now got a report from a group of expensive, non-biased law experts telling us what we, as citizens, already knew -- that there is no leadership at the top, or an enforced respect for the chain of command within the WPD. I would call that a definite problem, wouldn't you? How can we make Wellsville a happier place to live without the support of a cohesive, responsible police department? We can all try to play nicely together to try to improve the town, but we need a well-managed police force to handle or get rid of the miscreants who are taking over. We, as citizens, do not have that kind of power so need the appointed powers to take responsibility. I like Surace, but hoped that he wouldn't be re-elected just because of this problem in the WPD. I know he'll do nothing to fix things, and fear the "dire consequences" predicted by the report will become a tragic reality. As Matt pointed out, all the happy talk in the world isn't going to fix this problem or simply make it go away.

12:05 PM  
Blogger M. said...

To Huh?--
What you imply is that unless I want to move to Wellsville and run for mayor, I have no right to discuss Wellsville politics. I understand fully why the Surace regime would prefer that I "mind my own business." Why? Because they know I've got their number and they don't like it.

Wellsville residents do not live in a bubble. They are part of our tri-state community, and what happens in Wellsville is important to all of us. Even if the resistance should crumble (and I do not believe it will), I'll always be here to harass the bad guys. So get used to it.

12:16 PM  
Anonymous betrayed voter said...

I am one of the votes cast for Joe Surace. Until I read the paper today I thought you were exagerrating the things you said about our mayor. Now I see you were right on the money. He hid that police report until after the election, no doubt about it. Is there any way a voter can change our vote? I am serious.

12:43 PM  
Anonymous Paramedic and Proud said...

To Betrayed Voter:

I bet your kicking yourself in the ass now aren't ya. That is why it is important to get ALL your facts about a person before you judge them (and that included elections). There is no way to change your vote, just next time make better choices.

1:09 PM  
Blogger M. said...

Betrayed--
Unfortunately, you can't change your vote. I'm a little surprised how it took you so long to see the light, but better late than never.

Just remember that it was the Democratic Party that installed Surace in office four years ago, and it was the Democratic Party that supported his re-election bid this time around. Those registered Democrats who supported reform in Wellsville should consider going to Lisbon and changing their party affiliation. Let them know you will not put up with these dishonest, underhanded tactics. Rejecting the Democratic Party does not mean you have to be a Republican. Be a free thinking American; register as an Independent.

1:16 PM  
Anonymous OR said...

Betrayed:
Or you could not vote at all for years, then run for Mayor with no party affiliation. Loose, get mad and never vote again.

1:44 PM  
Anonymous i told you so, said...

MAYOR, SAVE YOURSLEF REMOVE YOUR POLICE CHEIF,WHILE THEIR STILL TIME,OR IT WILL BE DIRE.HAVE A NICE FOUR YEARS.

2:10 PM  
Anonymous Rember reading said...

I remember reading in the Review that the Mayor said a copy of the report was in his office and all the councilmen were invited to read it anytime. I am sure Diane Dinch knew, and if she could have without getting into trouble with the attorneys, she would have blasted whatever she knew. Personally, I didnt see any surprises on either side.

3:19 PM  
Anonymous Prince Planet said...

prince planet said...
congrats to mayor surace. he ran a clean campaign and won fair and square.

November 7, 2007 7:09 PM

Number one, this is the real Prince Planet and this post here is not mine. it was posted by someone else and not me. And for someone to call me a hyprocite, well lets say I have no idea why. I am from wellsville, live in East Liverpool and moving back to the Ville next year. This election has really torn the village apart. I was quite interested in the race because I wanted to see what would happen. And nothing happened. The only thing that happened was friends turn on each other and split things apart. Everyone had their own interpetation on the audit and again it was split. And now, as matt pointed out, the report would come out after the election, which did.

You see, no matter what, no one will be happy. Things that happened in the past will continue to surface and it will be a pro and con game with everyone. this person is right, that person is right. That person is wrong , that person is wrong. It will never end and to me is a damn shame. And when that new plant does come this way do you all actually think that the construction workers will reside in the village? Not with all this crap going on they won't. they will look for places out side the village or in the country. Why would they want to pay taxes to a village that have all these problems. Who is to say that are not reading both blog sites and shaking their heads. BAARD can always back out and leave Wellville shaking their heads and wondering what in the hell just happened.

Either Wellsville get it act together or suffer "dire consequences". And that is just my opinion. Not here to fight with anyone, just sharing my thoughts. And I am the real Prince Planet.

November 8, 2007 4:12 PM

The top comment was posted by someone using my name. I won't say the campaign was clean but it did show me something. Anyone can look into the fog and see nothing, only snakes can slither their way through it.

4:32 PM  
Anonymous just me said...

To the Wellsville Cheerleader. I do agree that the village's pysical image is improving daily and Wellsville does "look" like a beautiful place to live, but I have to disagree with your comment that there is nothing wrong with the mayor or the PD. Sadly mistaken. The mayor has had control of certain issues at hand, for the past 4 years and has sat back and did nothing. So who do we blame for the unsolved murders? Who do we blame for officers' behaving the way these "young men" behave. Have you even heard some or even read some of the childish things that have taken place in that dept? No, it's time for a change and if you read todays Morning Journal, 11/08/07 it clearly states that if changes are NOT made within the Dept, it could become dire. And I couldn't agree more

5:13 PM  
Anonymous misunderstood said...

Wow. I was speaking figuratively when I chose Wellsville cheerleader, not literally. That's almost humerous. I am way beyond my high school years. I apologize for that misunderstanding. Also, I have never commented Nibs. I was not defending WPD for their problems they have had either. They should help make wellsville a better place as well as the citizens. Trust me, I believe drastic changes should be made with the authority in our village. I am not using that identity name anymore because of the misunderstanding.

5:37 PM  
Anonymous Just wondering said...

I told you so:

Well after reading the Law Firm report who do you suggest the Mayor appoint Chief of Police?

6:53 PM  
Anonymous bubba sparx said...

Speaking of candidates for chief, whatever happened to Yanni?

8:24 PM  
Anonymous Fond of the ville said...

whatever happened to "the buck stops here?" Someone has step up to the plate at Wellsville village hall, take responsibilty for the problems and instill the leadership to resolve them. I don't see that happening in the next four years. No one at 11th and Main has the guts to do that. Wellsville is at the crossroads with opportunity for re-birth with the Baard plant. It may be the village's last chance. Let's not blow it over petty "good old boys" politics.

8:32 PM  
Anonymous Huh? said...

No, Matt, I didn't mean that at all. I just meant that since you seem to have all the answers, you should move down there and set those folks straight. In other words, put your money where your mouth is. Or you can just hang out on your blog and blog away.

8:55 PM  
Anonymous wellsvillain said...

Yeah, what did happen to Craig Yanni? Is he in the FBI or something now?

9:32 PM  
Anonymous Never again said...

Every once and awhile, I go back on the promise I made to myself; that I'll never waste another minute reading the uninformed insulting and paranoid posts I find on this website. But its like driving past a car wreck. It's a horrible thing to see but you can't stop looking at it. I hope the few that post here don't constitute the majority of Wellsvillians. And Matt, you would like to be thought of as "providing an outlet" for people to discuss and perhaps fix a few village problems. Everyone can see with the closed mind statements, the mudslinging and the "can't see the forest for the trees" attitudes on this site, you just love stirrin' the pot. I'll say it again: I'll nver be back to this "rag" again.

11:18 PM  
Blogger M. said...

You're so right! I think we should all get in a circle, hold hands and pray for forgiveness.

11:25 PM  
Blogger M. said...

To Huh?
I agree. I think I'll sell my properties in East Liverpool, quit my job, move to Wellsville, and run for mayor. I'll show the bastards, just you wait!

When I'm mayor, I'll shave my head and go into seclusion for a period of one year, during which time I will seek enlightenment. I will communicate with my followers by posting wise sayings once a day on the blog. All other communication will be through press releases. I will attend council meetings only if I can play with the gavel anytime I want to.

Hey, this running for mayor thing is starting to sound pretty good. Where do I go to sign up? Russell Heights?

12:23 AM  
Anonymous Huh? said...

Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

12:29 AM  
Anonymous raised eyebrow said...

Matt, c'mon . . . you're letting them get your ire up (although you'd say not). If you must say something in response at all (which, I don't even know why you'd bother), I'd at least say something like, "Yeah, I'll give up being a professor at KSU, give up my "hobby" running a blog, to take over a misguided, law-suit- laden town just to try to make it right." Don't you readers get it? This blog is clearly a HOBBY for Matt, as he has stated on numerous occasions. He's simply giving area folks a forum in which to express their views. And, occasionally, he expresses his. But it's funny, Matt . . .just when I think you've risen above the fray, you respond to some jackass statement, as if they've gotten to you. All they have to do is invite you to move to Wellsville, take over, be the mayor, and you take the bait! Don't even bother with 'em. You're above that.

1:47 AM  
Anonymous raised eyebrow said...

To "Never again" -- yeah you will!

1:49 AM  
Anonymous nasty said...

To Wellsville Cheerleader or Misunderstood (whichever you are choosing to be called at this point) -- It's not the name you chose to post with that I take issue. Call yourself whatever you want. We readers don't care if you're in high school, out of high school, were a cheerleader, are a cheerleader . . . God bless you if that's your claim to fame. The point -- It's not what you did or do, it's what you SAID, honey!
I'm going to quote you here: "You people cannot blame WPD and the mayor for Wellsvlle's problems." That's what I and other readers took issue with . . not your blogger name! Call yourself Playboy Bunny for all we care! We're not looking at your blog name, just your misguided thought process. Have a good night.

1:56 AM  
Anonymous nice1matt said...

I knew you had it in you. Dont forget what I said earlir, about sacrificing the goat. Also, kudos on just now picking up another dozen or so enemies from Russell Hieghts. Sleep well. Also, wouldn't you be foolish to stab all your liverpool friends in the back as you do here?

1:58 AM  
Blogger M. said...

C'mon people. Sometimes we just need to lighten up a little bit--including me. You Russell Heights folks are too sensitive. Laugh a little! It helps.

For every swing I take at old Joe, I get five in return. I've been called every name in the book; someone threatens to kill me at least once a month; posters tell me that I, my town, my house, and even my car are pieces of shit. People come here to tell me I'm a terrible writer and journalist, that I have no business teaching, that I'm a worthless, disgusting person. Now I'm told that I have still more enemies in Russell Heights, that I'm a backstabber.

Well, I don't betray my friends--in Russell Heights or anywhere. I might disagree with them, I might even pull their chain once in a while, but I don't stab them in the back. Nope, that's one thing you can't say about me. If I come after you, it will be from the front, and you'll know it's me.

7:00 AM  
Anonymous blind led by the blind said...

Hey Wellsville Cheerleader -- I think I've been "patient" enough waiting for Surace to put the WPD into action to solve a 4-year-plus-old murder, and a now a 4-month-plus-old murder (in which the murderer actually admitted his guilt! Hmmm, how hard is that one to crack????)

Give me a break. How much more patience do you wish me to endure for Surace and the WPD?

7:05 AM  
Anonymous Not one of them said...

at least one newspaper has the balls to say what needs said (from today's MJ editorial page):

[QUOTE: "The report appears, the problems remain

What a coincidence. The election is over and, finally, the long-awaited and much-anticipated report on the investigation into the Wellsville police department has been released.

It’s amazing that the attorney/client privilege that Mayor Joseph Surace cited as his reason for keeping the report under wraps suddenly disappeared the day after the election in which Surace was seeking his second term. What changed, mayor, besides the date?

The report showed there are serious problems in the department and that the mayor is actually responsible for handling disputes between the chief and his officers ... something he apparently hasn’t done.

Surace’s reasons for withholding the report are obvious — it made him look bad. And if he thinks his constituents aren’t smart enough to realize this, well... he’s the fool here. We hope he’s not too foolish to realize that keeping the problems from public view do not make them go away.

The police department investigation report stated, “there is a clear and prevalent animosity between the two ranking officers ... Chief (Joe) Scarabino and Lt. (Ed) Wilson” and if something is not done about the situation, “consequences could be dire.” Indeed, it sounds like a boiling pot ready to spill over down there, and we hope someone is watching and ready to act when it happens.

The question is, who will that be? Mayor Surace? Doubtful, with his past record of avoiding public scrutiny and lack of accountability.

Surace exhibited this pattern of lacking accountability prior to the election. He was invited to appear before our editorial board for an endorsement interview, but never responded to our request, then complained when we endorsed his opponent.

He also failed to respond or show for the Morning Journal’s Candidate Forum to respond to questions. He made two appointments with a Morning Journal reporter for a pre-election coverage interview and did not show or give our reporter the courtesy of a cancellation call. Instead, he issued a press release regarding his candidacy and complained when we refused to publish it.

Surace should not view his re-election victory as a mandate of the people. He won by only seven votes over a political newcomer — pretty pathetic showing for a Democratic incumbent in a highly Democratic town.

And Wellsville residents, whether they supported Surace or not, should not turn their backs on this highly volatile situation. They should demand action and accountability from their mayor. After all ... they elected him."]

Not from the editorial, but from me:
Every citizen in Wellsville should be up in arms about this report being withheld until after the election. It says exactly the same thing about the police department as the mayor's supporters SAY the performance audit claimed against his opponent, Dave Lloyd.
For the mayor to with hold it and then release it the day after the election is a slap in the face of every village resident who wanted to make an informed choice for mayor.
As the editor says: You elected him. Now, you can live with it. You reap what you sow.

As for you idiots who think Matt's comments about selling his house and moving to Wellsville to "show those bastards" is evidence that they are "getting to him," Jesus Christ, grow up.
Can't you tell sarcasm when you read it? Matt, you have some real idiots as readers.

8:10 AM  
Anonymous Aint that something said...

Some people dont make it past city limits to see how big of a laughing stock the P.D.has made Wellsville.I saw a shirt that said My husband vacationed in Wellsville and all I got was this lousy t-shirt.It had a target on the back.Thats the image people from other towns are getting of this town?

8:48 AM  
Anonymous Helter Skelter said...

Lt. Wilson is no leader, therefore, why would the police department have respect for him? All people do is bash the department, but yet they want someone like this on the force? He is the change that needs to be made. And on top of all of that, I'd like for everyone to sit back and ponder for a moment.. Can you think of any town in the area without a drug problem? Wellsville isn't the only village with a couple skeletons in the closet. So stop throwing stones.

9:28 AM  
Anonymous HONG KONG FUIE said...

HE CLAIMED SLEF DEFENSE. YOU ARE ALOUD TO DEFEND YOURSELF IF SOMEONE IS TRYING TO HARM YOU. I DONT BELIEVE HIS STORY BUT IF HE WOULD HAVE TOLD THE POLICE THAT HE KILLED HER FOR SOME OTHER REASON I BET MY BOTTOM DOLLAR HE WOULD BE IN CUSTODY AWAITING TRIAL!

1:16 PM  
Anonymous Paramedic and Proud said...

Ok in my opinion "PMS" does not count as self defense. What a bunch of bullshit. He needs to be in jail.

4:07 PM  
Anonymous No shit, Sherlock said...

[Quote: BUT IF HE WOULD HAVE TOLD THE POLICE THAT HE KILLED HER FOR SOME OTHER REASON I BET MY BOTTOM DOLLAR HE WOULD BE IN CUSTODY AWAITING TRIAL!]

Duuuuhhh...

4:16 PM  
Anonymous wow said...

paramedic and proud:

you make a valid point. hasn't that irwin kid from liverpool been in custody since before the trial began? even when he claimed he was completely innocent and stated someone else admitted to the murder? in actuality though, we all know that not much follows protocol whatever it in fact may be. the only thing that MIGHT tell the real story of what happened is professional forensic analysis such as swabs of the victims hands for gun powder and an examination of the forehead for powder burn to determine distances of fire. I stress MIGHT due to the lapse in time between the call being made and a warrant actually being carried out. Only time will tell

4:44 PM  
Anonymous Sad said...

As a relative of Tonia Amato (though an outsider to your town) I have been reading this blog and Ole Nib's regularly since July in an attempt to understand townspeople who tolerate a J.C. Amato in their midst. If those who pipe up on these blogs represent the town to an accurate degree, then I believe I am beginning to get the picture.

Folks, I do not have any expectation that you will care one way or another what this outsider’s opinion is, but I voice it none-the-less: to achieve what you know you are capable of you will need to look much farther and wider than to the leadership of the town and of the police department. Ultimately people get the leadership they deserve. Given the level of discourse on the blogs over the last couple weeks, given folks’ inability to frame a cogent argument, given your collective inability to use the English language properly, and given your penchant for exchanging hateful name-calling for meaningful conversation, I would say the adage holds: you have the leadership you deserve.

The path to better leadership is in creating a better-educated electorate. Your obvious enthusiasm for your town should be channeled into efforts to improve educational opportunities in your area. From a better-educated community come clearer mandates for leadership. In turn, clearer mandates enable those capable of achieving the goals to step forward. In this scenario there is no tolerance for ineptitude and corruption.

I have painted your town with a broad, unflattering brush. I recognize this as somewhat unfair. Clearly there are a lot of wonderful, caring people there: Tonia was one and I know she had many kind and loving neighbors. I urge you to ensure that the next generation is well enough educated that town elections can be about whose vision for improvement is more appealing rather than about degrees of corruption or inaction.

Undoubtedly there are among you blog readers those who will dismiss me as an outsider who knows not of what he speaks. Maybe so, but please do not waste your time blasting me. Instead focus your energy on something positive. I am on my way. I have learned what I needed to know.

5:02 PM  
Blogger M. said...

Sad--
Point well taken, but I do think you are painting with very broad strokes. Believe it or not, among the purposes of this blog is to give the public a chance to learn and practice the rhetoric of argument. Many of us are educated and/or capable writers who know how to express our thoughts; others are average citizens who do the best they can to take part in an entirely written discussion. Indeed, some posters are vicious dunderheads who probably shouldn't even attempt to engage in public debate, but if you look more closely, you'll see that most of our posters do not fit that description.

It is unfortunate that Ole Nib does not screen his comments. I've seen things there that simply should not be on a public message board--some of it about me. But even on this site, I sometimes allow marginal posts just to remind readers of the diversity out there.

I don't attack posters for writing errors mainly because it dissuades them from taking part in the discussion. Obviously, good writers make the best arguments, but I want everyone to feel like their ideas are important, even if they're not good writers. After all, this isn't English class.

To judge an entire community based upon the lowest common denominator is not fair. There are plenty of intelligent and educated people in our area, and there are lots of good people without formal education that contribute to our discussions. I value their thoughts as well. Naturally, it's a mixed bag.

So please don't judge us too harshly. I don't think your characterization of our area is entirely accurate.

As for Tonia's case, I believe you will see something move on it very soon and that justice will be done. Only a few chumps are buying all the bullshit claims made in association with this murder. The vast majority are not fooled by it. I know it's frustrating, but try to sit tight.

5:59 PM  
Anonymous Working on it said...

I know that a couple of weeks ago there was a guy from the Sheriff's office and a Wellsville cop going to some of the homes in Wellsville asking questions. so I guess they are still working on this.

8:19 PM  
Anonymous la donna said...

To Sad:

I find it very offensive and repugnant that you could make such critical remarks on a population you are not familiar with personally. Many of the people that are active on this site are supporters of your family’s cause, and for the justice of Tonia. As for an outsider, or anyone at that, to critique and evaluate our grammar and punctuation on a blog is preposterous, let alone unnecessary. Believe it or not we feel very strongly about the discussions we have on here, and sometimes that comes out in our text. We are not concerned about being graded, or our “collective inability to use the English language properly”. We have all done the COLLEGE English thing Ms. Sad. Quite frankly, we are more concerned with the future of our family, friends, and neighbors. In my opinion you should also have better things to worry about than people dotting their I’s and crossing their T’s. It seems very easy for you to make assumptions about our town and our educational system when you have no factual information about our school systems at all. For you to go on a tangent ranting like you are superior to us in assinine. Do not take out your frustruations with our police department, or lack there of, on the rest of the community. That makes you look more foolish than a bunch of toothless, unejamacated, hillbillies like us.

8:38 PM  
Anonymous Falcon Eddie said...

Well, now that that's tooken care of.....

1:27 AM  
Anonymous wellsville tiger said...

Paramedic: PMS count as self-defense??? The reason given for shooting Tonia was that she shot first.
Of course PMS isn't a reason for shooting someone. With that being said, PMS does affect the chemical balance of a woman's body. It could cause someone who already has a chemical imbalance to do something really crazy, like shoot at their husband.
Sad: I am sorry for your loss, but you know the old adage also holds: you get more flies with honey than you do with vinegar. I have replied on this topic before and have been careful to defend J.C. without smearing Tonia. You have attacked a whole town. I beg you- don't make me take my gloves off.

6:30 AM  
Anonymous Hit and run said...

Sad doesn't care. He said he wouldn't respond to anyone. He calls us all uneducated idiots and then says he won't dialog with us. Matt, you shouldn't have let this poster get away with this.

3:33 PM  
Anonymous Paramedic and Proud said...

To Wellsville Tiger:

First of all, being a FEMALE, I well know what PMS does to a woman's body. If she was having those types of problems, she should have spoken with her doctor about it. Secondly, being a married woman and my husband dealing with my emotional problems during that time of the month, he would be man enough to say to me that he couldn't deal with my emotional roller coaster and ask me to see my family doctor to see what kind of medical intervention that could be done. Birth control works WONDERS for women, and I am not going to sit here and tell all the pro's and con's of it. That is something that needs to be discussed with a person and their doctor. But a marriage is a PARTNERSHIP and either male or female needs to say to the other half "You have a problem, and it needs dealt with."

9:18 PM  
Anonymous wellsville tiger said...

Paramedic: I'm sorry, but I don't want to argue with you because you know everything that went on with Tonia. Being a paramedic, you probably even know what she told her doctor and what was prescribed to her. Take two pills and call me in the morning.

10:00 PM  
Anonymous having_a_card_does_not_a_paramedic_make said...

I will agree that you might be a woman, but Prince's wifey- YOU AREN'T A PARAMEDIC.

7:25 AM  
Anonymous fair is fair said...

I can't believe you're saying it's ok for a man to shoot his wife between the eyes in self defense because she has PMS. I also find it hard to believe anyone could shoot that accurately while being shot AT. And if someone is that good a shot, surely he could wound instead of kill?
I have a relative sitting in jail right now, waiting for trial on a crime he says he didn't commit, based on lies he says were told by the victim.
It's very hard for me to read about Mr. Amato running around free, not even charged with anything.

8:39 AM  
Anonymous Prince Planet said...

Having a card.....

Just to let you know my wife is a paramedic and has been one for about 3 yrs and has been in the emt field for about 10. She has the cards to prove it and has a card in WV and getting one in Pa. because it is required to have the card if thet are to transport to and from these states. Trust me, she is a damn headache. When she was PMSing i just ignored her. I used to work in a field where there was nothing but women and on any given day one of them was pmsing, if not more than one. I just learned to ignore them or if they jumped my ass for something stupid I would do the same. The excuse was pms. My excuse was sorry but it doesn't give them the right to use that as an excuse to pop off because of that. My point is, she may have been pmsing, it didn't give her the right to shot and that didn't give him the right to kill. Some of you may not agree but this is what this forum is all about. Agree, disagree. I can take it, I have thick skin.

9:16 AM  
Anonymous Paramedic and Proud said...

Having......

I'm not going to sit here and quabble with you about my being a Paramedic. Just hope that I never have to have you in the back of an ambulance. To get my respect you have to earn it. Right now, you do not have it. But lets compare what is in my wallet compared to yours. You probably have your personal things like a driver's license and a few credit cards. I have that in mine PLUS a CPR, ACLS, PALS, State of Ohio Division of Public Safety EMS Paramedic, National Registry Paramedic and a Neo Natal Resuscitation card. When you can prove that you have the same items, MAYBE you will have my respect! Until then, Mc Donald's is ALWAYS hiring!

1:18 PM  
Anonymous Prince Planet said...

You got her started. I have to hear this crap almost everyday and it is sickening. there are other things better to dicuss about than HER being a medic.

As for Wellsville, maybe you all should just wait until the final results come cack from Lisbon in about 7 days or so. Everyone is getting worked up and it isn't even over. When the results do come out, no matter what the out come is Wellsville needs to move forward.

5:45 PM  
Anonymous having_a_card said...

And having all that makes you better than me, how? I liked it better when you called yourself WIFEY. At least then I could respect you and some of your comments. No one cares if you're a paramedic.

5:47 PM  
Anonymous Prince Planet said...

Having a card.........

Just leave her alone and she'll go away. Even though being a medic is important job to have when you need them, to her it is her world and that is all she wants to talk about. She didn't have the right to call you out like that and what is in her wallet, what kind of cards she have and all things she has mention is all Bragging and like I stated before I have to listen to this everyday. I am sure what you do is important and provides for you and whoever you provide for. You don't have to earn her respect now, she has to earn yours, which i know she won't now. Just ignore her, sometimes I do.

Paramedic and Proud, after you read this I have a feeling you'll be calling, and I'll be waiting.

8:43 PM  
Anonymous dont be pety said...

That is so petty. We need paramedics. Im glad she is a paramedic and has a card. Maybe its your life she will save one day.

8:50 PM  
Anonymous Paramedic and Proud said...

I really don't care if you respect me or not. I know I work an HONEST living, and I support my family and that is all I have to do. I don't need yours or anyone elses permission.

9:28 PM  

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